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#4 – Martin Kleppmann: CRDTs, Automerge, generic syncing servers & Bluesky

The guest of this episode, Martin Kleppmann, is one of the authors of the original local-first essay. Martin has been exploring local-first software and CRDTs for over 10 years, which has led to the creation of Automerge, which we discuss in depth in this episode. This episode is also exploring the ideas of generic sync servers and the impact this technology could have on local-first software in the future. 00:00 Intro 01:51 CRDTs 09:16 Automerge 20:07 Collections vs Databases 24:00 Automerge as an app data-layer 28:54 Thoughts on P2P 32:27 Generic sync servers 37:30 Bluesky 40:37 A social network with local-first approach 48:36 Local-first vs Offline-first 50:35 What does local-first need to really succeed 54:51 A business-model for local-first applications 01:03:39 Outro Mentioned in podcast: Martin Kleppmann website: https://martin.kleppmann.com + x.com profile: https://x.com/martinkl + Mastodon profile: https://nondeterministic.computer/@ma... + Bluesky profile: https://bsky.app/profile/martin.klepp... Ink & Switch: https://www.inkandswitch.com The original CRDT paper: https://inria.hal.science/inria-00609... Bluesky: https://bsky.app Automerge CRDTs: https://automerge.org Our JSON CRDT paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/1608.03960 Our design for rich text in Automerge: https://www.inkandswitch.com/peritext How Bluesky works: https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.03239.pdf Links: Website: https://localfirst.fm X/Twitter: https://x.com/localfirstfm Local-First Conf 2024: https://www.localfirstconf.com Thank you to https://expo.dev/ and https://crabnebula.dev/ for supporting the podcast