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“He wasn't talking to me. He was talking to the DHS scientists. So, he was turned at a complete right angle to me. In other words, I couldn't catch his eye. I couldn't shake my head. I couldn't be like, ‘What are you doing?’ I couldn't send any nonverbal signals…and that's why I was looking at the floor because I could not figure out how to get his attention. And frankly, the DHS scientist was encouraging this line of dialogue. Which is another thing I couldn't understand in any way… That did not have to happen. And I think it illustrates the difficulty in this White House where there was a lack of discipline around access…to the President's information not being portrayed in a comprehensive manner. Certainly, if I had been in the Oval Office when they started that dialogue, I would have been able to prevent this from happening…ABC gave me a great insight in that, she said, ‘Well, maybe you could have stepped between them.’ And you know, that hadn't occurred to me before. I was only thinking of going to the podium. I wasn't thinking of stepping between the dialogue. And I think that would have been the right thing to do.”- Deborah Birx, MD