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Clarence X | More Perfect Podcast | Season 4 Episode 2 | Full Episode

A #podcast about how the Supreme Court got so supreme. To many Americans, Justice Clarence Thomas makes no sense. For more than 30 years on the Court, he seems to have been on a mission — to take away rights that benefit Black people. As a young man, though, Thomas listened to records of Malcolm X speeches on a loop and strongly identified with the tenets of Black nationalism. In this episode of More Perfect, we dig into his writings and lectures, talk to scholars and confidants, and explore his past, all in an attempt to answer: what does Clarence Thomas think Clarence Thomas is doing? Voices in the episode include: • Juan Williams — Senior Political Analyst at Fox News • Corey Robin — Professor of Political Science at Brooklyn College and the CUNY Graduate Center • Angela Onwuachi-Willig — Dean of Boston University School of Law • Stephen F. Smith — Professor of Law at Notre Dame Law School Learn more: • 1993: Graham v. Collins — https://www.oyez.org/cases/1992/91-7580 • 1994: Holder v. Hall — https://www.oyez.org/cases/1993/91-2012 • 1999: Chicago v. Morales — https://www.oyez.org/cases/1998/97-1121 • 2003: Grutter v. Bollinger — https://www.oyez.org/cases/2002/02-241 • 2022: Students for Fair Admissions v. President and Fellows of Harvard College — https://www.oyez.org/cases/2022/20-1199 • 2022: Students for Fair Admissions v. University of North Carolina — https://www.oyez.org/cases/2022/21-707 • “The Enigma of Clarence Thomas” by Corey Robin — https://us.macmillan.com/books/978162... • “Black Conservatives, Center Stage” by Juan Williams —https://www.washingtonpost.com/archiv... • “Just Another Brother on the SCT?: What Justice Clarence Thomas Teaches Us About the Influence of Racial Identity” by Angela Onwuachi-Willig — https://scholarship.law.bu.edu/facult... • “Clarence X?: The Black Nationalist Behind Justice Thomas's Constitutionalism” by Stephen F. Smith — https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/cgi/vi... • “My Grandfather’s Son” by Justice Clarence Thomas — https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/my-g... • Subscribe to WNYC Studios on YouTube so you never miss an episode: https://bit.ly/3VovhOq • Or subscribe to More Perfect wherever you listen to podcasts: https://bit.ly/3Ns9BPz • Check out The Most Perfect Album (cools songs about the 27 amendments to the Constitution): https://bit.ly/3p5aWl2 • Like this video and leave us a comment! Follow More Perfect: Instagram —   / moreperfectpodcast   Facebook —   / moreperfectpodcast   Twitter —   / moreperfect   ABOUT MORE PERFECT The Supreme Court was designed to be above the fray of politics. But at a time when politics seems to seep into every pore of American life, are the nine justices living up to that promise? More Perfect is a guide to the current moment on the Court. We bring the highest court of the land down to earth, telling the human dramas at the Court that shape so many aspects of American life — from our religious freedom to our artistic expression, from our reproductive choices to our voice in democracy. The fourth season, hosted by Julia Longoria (a former More Perfect producer) will revisit the human dramas at the Court that are driving change around core aspects of American life today — from our religious freedom to our artistic expression; from our reproductive choices to our voice in democracy. Supreme Court archival audio comes from Oyez®, a free law project by Justia and the Legal Information Institute of Cornell Law School. Support for More Perfect is provided in part by The Smart Family Fund. Episode illustration by Candice Evers https://www.candiceevers.com