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The third PIPA Podcast took Sjoerd and Jorgi to the Netherlands, more specifically to Collendoorn, where the Leideman Brothers welcomed them particularly hospitably to their home to talk about their passion for more than an hour. After a wondrous 2023 season, it was an ideal time to ask the brothers for this third episode of the PIPA Podcast. In the full run-up to the season a lot of things were discussed such as the preparation for the important races of May and June, their as natural as possible approach among other things without darkening, the belief in themselves and their pigeons, when for the Leideman brothers a racing pigeon is worth going to their breeding loft and much more. However, what stays with me the most is that Bert & André are still true fanciers in the strict sense of the word.