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On 3rd August, 2022, Carl Pei (founder, @NothingTechnology) sat down with Kunal Shah for a fireside chat. What followed was an hour's worth of shared curiosities between them. Kunal and Carl started companies which brought new products in fast-growing categories, financial services & mobile phones respectively. Both left these companies, to return with all-new takes. Kunal, with CRED in 2018, and Carl, with Nothing in 2021. In conversation, they cover all about what entrepreneurship looks like in the roaring 20s, building high-performing teams in startups, what makes powerful brands, and choosing the right problem to solve. Bonus: Carl Pei discovers the word "cringe" and Kunal Shah reveals his meme dealers. Never miss an update on any of the upcoming sessions. Subscribe and switch on notifications for exclusive #CREDcurious conversations. Timestamps: 00:00 Start 0:58 Session opening 1:17 The beginning of Nothing 3:54 Setting up a hardware tech company 5:18 How to build a brand around your business 11:47 The values which define Nothing 17:32 Taking business decisions 22:02 Insight behind the design 24:25 Vanity versus utilitarian functionality 25:16 Dealing with crisis while building a company 28:38 Unique traits of the Indian market 30:36 Creating the right market environment for a premium phone 32:58 Carl's role at Nothing 34:18 Identifying mediocre talent 39:11 Kunal's role at CRED 42:58 Question and answer session 49:05 How Nothing got its name Follow CRED for a rewarding experience: Twitter: / cred_club Instagram: / cred_club LinkedIn: / credapp Join the conversation about CRED curious on Discord: / discord