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House Division in Ancient Astrology: Origins of the Different Systems

A talk on the different forms of house division in ancient astrology, explaining how the different approaches dividing a chart into twelve houses emerged in Hellenistic astrology, presented by astrologer Chris Brennan. The three main forms of house division that were used in ancient astrology were whole sign houses, equal houses, and quadrant houses. The premise of the discussion is that we know as modern astrologers that there are many different forms of house division today, but how did this come to be the case? We can understand the issue better by going back to the beginning of the tradition and seeing how it started, and this may also provide us with some tools for resolving the problem today. In this talk I try to answer some questions such as: 1. Which systems of house division were used in antiquity? 2. Were some approaches to house division more popular than others? 3. How did ancient astrologers reconcile different approaches to house division? This episode partially results from a series of debates and discussions that have occurred over the past few years regarding the issue of house division in ancient astrology, beginning with episode 52 of The Astrology Podcast titled Whole Sign Houses: The Best System of House Division, which was then followed by episode 54 with Deborah Houlding titled The Debate About Ancient Systems of House Division. The debate with Houlding then prompted Robert Schmidt to release his own audio recording on the house division issue in June of 2016. In the summer of 2016 I was in the process of finishing my book on ancient astrology, and I ended up writing a longer and more detailed treatment of the house division issue than I originally intended, which became chapter 11 of my book Hellenistic Astrology: The Study of Fate and Fortune: http://hellenisticastrology.com/brenn... I subsequently presented a summarized version of that chapter in two lectures, first at the Northwest Astrology Conference in Seattle in May of 2017, and then at the United Astrology Conference in Chicago in May of 2018. This podcast is a slightly expanded version of the same lecture, which is essentially a summary of chapter 11 of my book. For those that are interested in going further into this topic, I would highly recommend reading that chapter of my book, since I was able to go into more detail and give more references in writing than I could in this lecture. My goal in releasing this lecture is that, together with the chapter I wrote on the subject in my book, this fully outlines my current understanding of how the house division issue developed, as well as much of the evidence that those views are based on. My hope is that this will help to set a new foundation for some of the discussions about house division in the future, and perhaps suggest some possible paths forward for reconciling the different approaches. To listen to the audio version of this episode see the podcast website: http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/1... #TheAstrologyPodcast Timestamps: 00:00:00 Intro 00:01:07 Questions about house division 00:03:44 Debates on house division 00:12:30 The origins of western astrology 00:23:08 The three main forms of house division 00:26:08 Whole sign house system 00:30:21 The use of Lots 00:35:07 Equal house system 00:39:00 Quadrant house system 00:49:48 The surviving evidence for house division usage in Greco-Roman astrology 00:50:50 Charts from the Hellenistic tradition 01:12:12 The three categories of surviving charts 01:18:40 Conclusions drawn from standalone charts 01:23:36 Literary charts from textbooks 01:35:10 Conclusions drawn from literary charts 01:42:10 Firmicus Maternus on the founders of Hellenistic astrology 01:43:22 Three foundational texts 01:47:46 Twelve-Place system of Hermes 02:01:00 Olympiodorus on angularity 02:06:15 Hermes on the Advantageous Places 02:12:03 The Ascelpius text 02:23:23 Valens drawing on the Asclepius text in discussing equal houses 02:27:28 Origins of equal house MC in culminating decan? 02:28:53 Hephaestio on the Salmeschoiniaka 02:37:17 The Nechepso-Petosiris text 02:46:12 Quadrant houses for dynamic strength 02:48:05 Differing interpretations of source text 02:57:26 Whole sign for topics, quadrant houses for planetary strength 03:00:18 Floating MC and IC points 03:02:24 Valens on the MC 03:14:31 Later Hellenistic synthesis and transmission 03:18:10 Rhetorius delineating planets in houses by sign and degree 03:21:53 Antiochus/Porphyry on using both sign-based and degree-based aspects 03:28:30 Later transmission 03:32:14 Turning point in 9th century that set precedent for prioritising quadrant houses 03:36:22 Why quadrant houses became dominant in the 20th century 03:37:28 Recognizing the symbolic importance of each approach 03:47:50 Conclusion and Chris' book