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Russell Moore joins Carey to discuss leaving the Southern Baptist Convention (SBC). Russell talks about being tried for 'heresy,' why 'normal' leaders have stepped away and allowed fringe leaders to run the church, and why the culture is really rejecting the church. Russell and Carey also dive into the phenomenon of weaponized nostalgia and the outrage cycle. ---------- Welcome to The Carey Nieuwhof Leadership Podcast, a podcast about leadership, change, and personal growth. I hope this episode helps you thrive in life and leadership. Subscribe to my channel so you don't miss any of the newest episodes: / @careynieuwhof Find the show notes and more at http://careynieuwhof.com/episode611 Follow me for the latest leadership insights: / careynieuwhof / cnieuwhof / cnieuwhof TikTok: @careyniuewhof Interested in what gear I use to record my podcast? I list all of the equipment in this blog post: https://careynieuwhof.com/the-home-st... ---------- Brought to you by: The Preaching Cheat Sheet https://careynieuwhof.com/preaching-c... TenX10 https://1010.org Intro Music: Song: Alexey Anisimov - Always Be Beautiful Music provided by Tunetank. Free Download: https://tunetank.com/track/4144-alway... ---------- Chapters 0:00:00 - Hypocrisy isn't the problem in the church 0:00:53 - Welcome to the podcast 0:02:37 - Growing up as a conservative Christian 0:09:43 - Healthy leaders leaving and fringe leaders running the church 0:16:36 - American life and religion 0:20:00 - Russell Moore on trial for heresy 0:29:40 - Leaving the SBC 0:37:30 - 'Losing our religion' expression 0:45:33 - Why hypocrisy isn't the problem in the church - it's worse 0:56:40 - Tribalism v. Politics 1:00:38 - Weaponized Nostalgia