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How Did Pluto and the Outer Planets Get Their Meanings?

Astrologers Kenneth Miller and Sam Reynolds join Leisa Schaim and Chris Brennan to talk about the history behind Pluto's significations in astrology, as well as the meanings of the other outer planets in general. This discussion is partially based on a paper that Kenneth wrote for the second volume of The Ascendant journal, titled "Pluto's Weird History: Dumb luck? Dumb note? Dumbbell?" In the article Kenneth chronicles the development of Pluto's significations by astrologers after it was discovered in 1930, and the surprising lack of consistency until the mid-1970s. This ended up being the basis for a sweeping discussion about how astrologers develop interpretive meanings for new celestial bodies, and some of the pros and cons for different approaches. Sam and Kenneth were in town this week for a planning meeting with the rest of the board of the International Society for Astrological Research (ISAR), which is hosting their next astrology conference here in Denver in September of 2020. We decided to take the opportunity while they were in town to meet up and get to the bottom of this whole outer planet issue. This is episode 202 of The Astrology Podcast, and you can find more information about it on the podcast website: http://theastrologypodcast.com/2019/0... To help support the production of future episodes of the podcast and get access to some great benefits like early access to new episodes, consider becoming a patron:   / astrologypodcast   #TheAstrologyPodcast Timestamps 00:00:00 Intro 00:04:58 Kenneth's Pluto article in The Ascendant 00:08:43 Sam's perspective on outer planets 00:14:39 Political issues of outer planets 00:16:03 Brief history of outer planets 00:18:30 Rulership scheme 00:19:25 Indian tradition and outer planets 00:20:27 Shortcoming of traditional astrology criticisms 00:23:48 Thema mundi and masculine and feminine 00:24:40 Does astrology need to adapt to modern society? 00:28:10 The hiddenness of the outer planets 00:31:08 Different views of function of Pluto 00:33:52 Multi-valence of Pluto 00:35:00 The Pluto keyword Sam dislikes 00:40:00 Pluto's demotion from a planet 00:42:04 Outer planet significations 00:46:07 Therapeutic blaming of the planets 00:47:30 Haphazard naming of outer planets 00:56:57 Robert Hand's influence 01:04:30 Pluto, Scorpio and the 8th house 01:05:50 Focus on Pluto in modern astrology 01:11:40 Influence of cultural beliefs 01:13:09 Trend in names of new planetary bodies 01:17:10 Lack of modifiers for the outer planets 01:20:12 How to talk about Pluto to a beginner 01:25:10 Octaves and overlap of inner and outer planet significations 01:33:04 Outer planets and profections 01:34:40 Transiting Neptune on the ascendant 01:36:00 Nocebo effect with outer planets 01:37:41 Rise of mythology in 20th century 01:39:40 Synchronicity in naming of planets 01:41:50 Pluto of less importance since its demotion? 01:48:50 Using caution with new discoveries 01:51:52 Keiron Le Grice 01:53:15 Alan White quote about Pluto 01:54:15 Closing remarks