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This week on The Limits, Jay talks to author and editor Dave Zirin about the intersection of sports and politics. Dave has written 11 books on these topics, covering the many ways that activist athletes have unveiled larger systemic issues of racism and injustice in America. Dave gets into it with Jay on overlooked female athletes like Wyomia Tyus and Brittney Griner, on whether the NFL is better safeguarding players from longterm brain damage, and the hypocrisy of criticizing the business of sports while remaining a lifelong fan. Dave also talks to Jay about Colin Kaepernick, whose taking of the knee in 2016 sparked protests across America, and the framing of Dave's latest book, The Kaepernick Effect: Taking a Knee, Changing the World. Dave has a different take on Kap's NFL journey than last week's guest, Stephen A. Smith. He argues instead that the NFL was setting Colin Kaepernick up to participate in a media circus—and Kap has chosen not to be a clown. For sponsor-free episodes, weekly bonus content, and more, subscribe to The Limits Plus. This week, Dave talks more about how Colin Kaepernick's taking of the knee inspired his predecessors to speak out more about their own history of activism. Follow Jay on Instagram and Twitter. Email us at [email protected]. WHAT IS “THE LIMITS WITH JAY WILLIAMS”? Today, the art of celebrity doesn't look like it used to. Now, it's all about betting on yourself and expanding your personal brand—sometimes even beyond your comfort zone. Few understand the art of rebounding your life better than Williams, now an author, entrepreneur and ESPN host. Each week, he'll go deep with heavy-hitters from the worlds of sports, entertainment, and pop culture to understand the principles of faith, vision, and grit they live by in order to see past doubt and build their empires. From rappers-to-moguls, to talk show hosts-turned-CEOs, you'll learn the ways that successful people define, push, and conquer their limits. Email us at [email protected]. FOLLOW JAY WILLIAMS / realjaywilliams / realjaywilliams FOLLOW NPR https://www.npr.org/ / npr / npr / npr See “The Limits” sponsors and promo codes https://www.nationalpublicmedia.com/p... The NPR shows you love are possible thanks to your support. Donate today: https://www.npr.org/donations/support ------------------------------------- VIDEO CHAPTERS 0:00 - Intro 2:08 - The Kaepernick Effect & how Kaepernick influenced a generation of young athletes 2:58 - What people really mean when they say sports and politics don’t mix 4:07 - The lead-up to Kaepernick’s infamous protest 4:34 - Viral videos of police killings produce a culture of accountability and trauma 5:54 - The Raiders potentially signing Kaepernick 7:00 - The place of the Black athlete in US society 7:29 - The mistrust surrounding Kaepernick’s NFL workout 10:28 - The history & impact of women athletes on activism 15:46 - Britney Griner’s captivity & how American sports culture values women athletes 22:01 - Balancing cultural critique of sports with being a sports fan 23:22 - The NFL guardian cap & the future of football 25:30 - The human rights issues surrounding the 2022 Qatar World Cup 29:17 - Sports fans can be agents of change